Please, if you’re not sitting down to read this, find a chair.
I am going to introduce you to two galactically stupid people. You are about to be exposed to ignorance of such crystalline purity that you might actually weep, because it’s rare you experience what you’re about to. If you have goggles, I recommend donning them, even though they will likely do nothing.
OK then.
In Seattle’s Federal Way schools, the administration had been showing Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth to students as part of the science curriculum so they could begin to understand the problem facing their generation and some of the science behind it.
This came to a grinding, screeching halt after one parent, named Frosty Hardison, opposed the film’s showing, citing reasons so uneducated, so religious, so ignorant that I won’t dare dilute them by paraphrase:
“Condoms don’t belong in school, and neither does Al Gore. He’s not a schoolteacher,” said Frosty Hardison, a parent of seven who also said that he believes the Earth is 14,000 years old. “The information that’s being presented is a very cockeyed view of what the truth is. … The Bible says that in the end times everything will burn up, but that perspective isn’t in the DVD.”
Here we have a guy named after a Wendy’s fast-food dessert claiming that Al Gore is no schooteacher, so he should be kept out of schools. Problem is, Hardison isn’t a schoolteacher either, instead choosing to be a religious father of seven whose voice should also be kept out of school policymaking.
Hardiman believes the earth is only 14,000 years old, which isn’t a number corroborated by science or religion. But it appears his main beef with the film is that it doesn’t depict a Biblical fiery end-day scenario to counter the scientifically-proven model of what would happen if sea levels rose by 22 feet.
So there’s galactically stupid person number one.
Galactically stupid person number two is, not-so-ironically, a lawyer named David Larson who, upon reading Hardison’s lunatic e-mail to the Federal Way school board, proposed a moratorium on showing the film. He rationalizes his decision with this:
“Somebody could say you’re killing free speech, and my retort to them would be we’re encouraging free speech,” said Larson, a lawyer. “The beauty of our society is we allow debate.”
How does this allow debate when you let a solitary, ignorant, uneducated voice invoke a moratorium on an otherwise scientific and fact-based curriculum? We’re not talking ghosts and tarot cards here: the evidence of global warming is backed by the American Meteorological Society, Amercian Geophysical Union, American Association for the Advancement of Science, National Academy of Sciences, Union of Concerned Scientists, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and Johns Hopkins. Hell, seven days ago, even the NOAA — a long time holdout — presented their first written acknowledgement that greenhouse warming is real.
In the wake of all this, the Federal Way school board created a three-point policy that forces teachers who want to show the film in their classrooms to ensure that a credible, opposing view will be presented to the children.
I’ll let that sink in for a second.
So in the face of endless amounts of science and evidence showing, plain as day, that global warming is here, now, and happening faster than anyone expected, teachers need to show credible opposing viewpoints.
Credible and opposing, huh? You mean some wackjob interpretation of the earth’s end days as depicted in the Bible, that bastion of scientific and empirical credibility? Is that what this is all about?
Yes.
This is yet another casualty in the Political Correctness war, a battle in which one lone deranged voice can halt an entire machine whose intentions are genuine education and altruism.
Make no mistake: there is a minority body of science out there that opposes global warming, and I think that should be presented to students as well, because children need to understand that nothing should be taken as dogma. But opposing evidence in the sense of what Hardiman is presenting? No.
People like Frosty Hardiman shouldn’t be given the time of day in matters like this. They should be viewed as the religious extremists and dismissed to the cutting room floor of all matters pragmatic. Problem is, nobody dares squelch assholes like Hardiman for fear of retribution or lawsuit. So instead of giving them reasonable berth and moving on, morons like Larson overcorrect and give them far too much berth and cause idiotic policies and processes to be adopted to do something as simple as educate our children about real science and the planet on which they live.
Biblical counter-scenarios put in place to symbolically oppose a scientific perspective have no place in our schools. It’s why we’re raising a nation of ignoramuses who believe that the world was created in a garden with a man, woman and a talking snake hawking magic apples.
It’s why the United States, out of 34 countries polled, ranks number 33 (just above Turkey) in terms of the percentage of population that accepts biological evolution as how life came to be on this planet. For the most powerful nation on the planet, we’re still nice and swaddled in first-century mysticism.
The scariest part is that people like Hardiman and Larson are everywhere — in fact, you might be one of them.
Instead of worrying about whether some storybook religious scenario is being taught in schools, how about worrying about why American children are getting their collective ass kicked in math and science by children from just about every other country, sometimes by ghastly margins. Why aren’t we worrying about that?
Because we’d rather worry about making sure everyone has a voice, no matter how insane, and increasing our unification of church and state in the name of political correctness.
So much energy wasted. So much effort and intellectual capital burned to ashes in the name of dogmatism, hypersensitivity, and pseudo-equality. This is what happens when someone allows religion — or any belief system, for that matter — to stroll unabated into areas intellectual: it’s a suicide of reason.
Hardiman and Larson should be ashamed. Ashamed because not only are they propagating a problem that very literally is undermining America like ideological termites, but also because it’s the children — their children — who are going to pay the price in the fullness of time.
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84 responses so far ↓
icanplainlysee // January 17, 2007 at 11:30 am |
Global warming.. yes.
Al Gores’ self promoting, partly fabricated, partly un-scientific, alarmist diatribe ending the world as we know it..NO.
If only Hollywood could just make a movie explaining all of lifes little problems in easy to understand dumbed down simplistic pseudo scientific truth.. wouldn’t the world be a better place?
NO.
Jeff Ventura // January 17, 2007 at 11:34 am |
Interesting. Got any real evidence that Al Gore’s data is partly fabricated or unscientific? I’d like to see it, because, again, nothing should be taken as dogma, and that includes a documentary film.
FSM // January 17, 2007 at 11:39 am |
Well why is the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory not being taught!?
Jeff Ventura // January 17, 2007 at 11:43 am |
FSM — I agree. That and the Celestial Teapot theory.
DaveK // January 17, 2007 at 1:07 pm |
Jeff,
You are spot on here in so much as the lawsuit is silly, I wonder if this is a conservative lashing out at Gore more than a fool who believes global warming is a sham. I just wish this was a pure documentary not tainted by Al Gore’s involvement. His involvement forces you to question everything because you have to know that he has a political agenda. My take is the agenda was served by the timing of the release as opposed to a manipulation of the facts; I just can’t help but feel that there would have been a greater impact if the movie was done by someone who is perceived as impartial.
I tend to read your blog *because* we see things very differently. As a religious person, who is not stupid and does not feel he is letting his children fall behind because of his beliefs, I’d like to offer you this. The vast majority of religious people I know understand that the bible is not a scientific text full of facts. It is conglomeration of spiritual writings full of symbolism that in most cases can be directly aligned with science. Because it is spiritual the writings are ambiguous in nature, thought provoking as opposed to a mere transference of facts. Maybe it is a “convenient truth”, in that my religious beliefs can be interpreted as supported by science. For example: Is the fiery end of the earth symbolic of global warming? Maybe I’m just delusional.
My point, Mr. Frosty is a nut case who “interpreted” the bible in such a way as to support his “galactically stupid” opinion. He should be chastised. It seems you are doing the same, though in the opposite direction, and you are clearly smarter than that (this is in no way meant tongue and cheek).
DK
Jonathan Dann // January 17, 2007 at 1:24 pm |
Let me make something clear from the outset, I’m a Christian. Now thats out of the way, I’m also a Physicist in academia. Do I have any porblems reconciling the two? Not really, I believe that God has given me an equiring mind and senses that are the only Earthly things I can trust. As a result, when I’m experimenting I must trust my senses, which tell me that a raidoactive isotope has the half-life it does. The amount of the isotope in my possesion now easily inferrs the amount there was in previous time; now if this isotope happens to be carbon-14, it is simple to find out how long ago my coal sample was formed. This coal used to be a tree and would have had died with a certain amount of carbon-14 in it, so the amount there is now tells me how old it is, if that is greater that 14,000 years, then the world is older. It’s very simple.
Global warming is a scientifically corraborated and accepted fact, our senses show that it’s happening, and will get worse if left unchecked. When Christians argue that global warming is the manifestation of the predictions in Revelation that, as put by Frosty Hardison, ‘everything will burn up’, and therefore should be ignored, irritates me greatly. Should Christians disregard looking after our planet because we’re living in the end times? I heartily diagree for two reasons: firstly, we have no proof that we are living in the ‘end times’ as described in the Bible, Christians have continually pointed to world events as indications of this, and we are still here; secondly, I cannot believe that God, who created this Universe (in seven days or over billions of years) would want us to disregard our responsibilty to look ofter the gift he has given us. Who can possibly be so sure that we are living in the end times that they are so prepared to risk leaving a broken world for their children? The movement of Evangelical Chritians in the US, and somewhat in the UK too, would appear to show that members of the Church are so self-confident that this is a risk they are willing to take. It’s embarrasing that I may inadvertantly be lumped in with thaat crowd of small-minded, unquestioning people.
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icanplainlysee // January 17, 2007 at 1:37 pm |
Hi. Check out Scanlyze.wordpress. Just a little food for the thoughtful regarding convenient half-truths regarding global warming.
singaporecityzen // January 17, 2007 at 2:13 pm |
So? Scanlyze is one opinion, and frankly I would love to see him submit his calculations/analysis to a peer-reviewed science journal so that all the concerned scientists can relax about greenhouse gases. Thing is, from what I’m seeing, he’s tearing down the whole movie almost solely based on “real science” Gore omits. (Seriously, I’m of the mind that Gore can’t be blamed too much if his presentation is simplified for lay people.) Read scanlyze again and he’s not even trying to deny humans can cause damage to the earth, just that their effects may not be completely measurable… so it’s better to do no harm, which is the lesson here all of us shouldn’t ignore. If it takes An Inconvenient Truth to wake people up to the serious changes needed to keep this planet livable, let’s do it, instead of encouraging the nutjobs who believe in the end times, so let’s just trash the place.
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Joe // January 17, 2007 at 4:51 pm |
For everyone’s sake, here is the Wikipedia entry regarding scientific opinion/consensus on climate change.
Here’s a relevant excerpt:
“In 2005 the national science academies of the G8 nations, plus Brazil, China and India, three of the largest emitters of greenhouse gases in the developing world, signed a statement on the global response to climate change. The statement stresses that the scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nations taking prompt action [2], and explicitly endorsed the IPCC consensus.”
Jeff Ventura // January 17, 2007 at 5:25 pm |
Joe — unreal. I was looking at that page about 10 minutes ago.
Thanks for posting that.
thestatusjoe // January 17, 2007 at 6:22 pm |
Jeff, my pleasure.
‘icanplainlysee’, even if the film in question waters-down its explanation of how exactly global warming occurs, scientific consensus across the globe says that humans’ great contribution is inarguable.
Even the site you cited(!) reads:
“The fact is we don’t know what effect our human depredations on the environment will bring. And thus in our ignorance we should try to follow the first principle of ‘do no harm’.”
And also:
“Human activity may even trigger the collapse of the biosphere and a catastrophic deep-freeze as in the ’snowball earth’ hypothesis of Harvard scientist Paul Hoffman (Hoffman and Schrag, 1999).
The way I see it (plainly), you’re spending your energy much like a pedestrian witness to a car hurtling towards a crowd, who, instead of rushing to save people before the crash, opts instead to spend his few moments of reaction time explaining to passers-by that, no, it’s not because the car is speeding and the brakes have malfunctioned that the out-of-control-vehicle will kill us — it’s because the driver is drunk.
Jeff Ventura // January 17, 2007 at 8:39 pm |
Dave K — first of all, I appreciate you coming back to read my stuff even though you and I rarely agree. I don’t want a monologue, I want a discourse. I always welcome your comments, and I appreciate your readership.
About Gore: I have no hang up about him. You do. My father does. Many other people do. So, your ultimate question about him is very valid: if someone other than Gore presented the exact same data that’s in “An Inconvenient Truth”, would it be more accepted? Probably, because the mere *perception* that Gore is using this as a political platform — whether it’s true or not — influences its message and efficacy. It’s the political equivalent of Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle.
I think Gore found his voice, his real voice, after losing the election. I don’t think he was meant to be president: he was meant to do this. Climate is the man’s passion, his center. If he were president, his duties — and certainly the events since 2001 — would have made it impossible for him to pursue the climate topic as he’s done. I think the Gore you see now is a man in full, doing what’s he supposed to be doing. He’s vastly different from the man we saw fumbling through the last round of political debates.
As far as your faith, well, that’s where we part ways, but amicably. I don’t share your beliefs, and while I know that you know that the Bible isn’t a scientific text, I also don’t think the Bible aligns with science very well. With enough interpretation and cognitive dissonance it does, and perhaps some nuances do (most historical), but overall, the Bible and science are at odds with one another.
Also, about the fiery end: I think what Frosty was saying is that the Bible depicts a fiery end-time, but Gore’s dramatic doomsday scenario has the world flooding as sea levels rise. I think that’s what Frosty was getting at, but that could just be my take.
I love writing “Frosty”.
Thanks again for your comments, Dave.
joyfarm6 // January 17, 2007 at 9:40 pm |
Here’s an article http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=d0235a70-33f1-45b3-803b-829b1b3542ef . What I believe the problem to be is Al Gore’s movie is not science. If we had a better movie (contained more factual info) then show it. The parent is (I believe) making the point that the movie is and should be as factual as his religion since the science in the movie is suspect in places. Would you suggest using a textbook with that many flaws in it?
Kevin // January 17, 2007 at 10:19 pm |
“Here we have a guy named after a Wendy’s fast-food dessert claiming that Al Gore is no schooteacher, so he should be kept out of schools. Problem is, Hardison isn’t a schoolteacher either, instead choosing to be a religious father of seven whose voice should also be kept out of school policymaking.”
That has earned you a subscriber. Keep up the good work.
Jeff Ventura // January 17, 2007 at 10:38 pm |
joyfarm — Al Gore’s movie is loaded with facts and real science, as is his book (what the movie is based off of). I don’t think Frosty is making the point you think he is at all: he’s not saying that he wants the movie to be as “factual” as his religion.
“Fact” and “religion” are awful bedfellows.
The NP article you post certainly has an axe to grind with Gore’s findings, and that’s fine. But the problem statements remains valid, and if I can borrow a phrase from “thestatusjoe”, who has commented above:
“‘icanplainlysee’, even if the film in question waters-down its explanation of how exactly global warming occurs, scientific consensus across the globe says that humans’ great contribution is inarguable.”
Did you even see Gore’s film or read the book?
joyfarm6 // January 17, 2007 at 11:37 pm |
I would certianly agree religion and facts are awlful bedfellows (one is faith the other “observations”) I read his book back when I believe he was with the camp that “preached” a global iceage. And that brings me to the problem I have with the people like Gore, global warming is almost a religion. People believe because of the local weather patterns, “it’s not as cold as it was when I was a child”. Or other poor examples. There is even a movement to label people and scientists who don’t agree as “deniers” and even to de-certify scientists that are “deniers”. This is something the church did when they saw what they percieved heriesy. I will see the movie this weekend as much as it pains me to. But you have to admit religion is as hot a topic for comments as global warming on your blog.
Frosty’s argument is poor and very hard to defend, I would say he’s right for the wrong reasons.
8pie // January 18, 2007 at 3:06 am |
there’s not nearly enough evidence to suggest that global warming is a problem–let alone that man has any significant influence on its occurrence— and those that preach nonsensically that it is and that we do are idiots. i mean really, i’m not sure who’s worse– this frosty guy or al gore and all of his ridiculously loud hippie cronies.
8pie // January 18, 2007 at 3:08 am |
Mark // January 18, 2007 at 3:53 am |
Oh wow!
Now you have a fan! That’s me…
Can I add you to my blogroll?
*ehem*
Now to more serious matters…
Global warming is real. We feel it getting worse everyday, even unconsciously. Scientists have proven this (I’m talking about scientists here, so count out Al Gore).
The pressing truth is that we must act to save the environment. Act, and fast.
The new millenium saw a rise to awareness of this phenomenon. Inventors are finding alternative sources of fuel; companies are funding research.
There was also an agreement drafted by the UN. It is called the Kyoto Protocol. It was signed and ratified by some concerned countries: Russia, India, China, etc. One oddity is that the US signed the protocol but has never ratified it. Therefore, the signature only turned into a symbol; it has no use because the US doesn’t act on the agreement anyway.
My point is this: why hasn’t the US ratified the protocol? Is it because many of the politicians (or citizens) of this country are like “guys named after a fast-food dessert”?
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DaveK // January 18, 2007 at 3:05 pm |
Mark – The reason the Kyoto protocal was not ratified by the US is because it is not complete and contains too many loopholes. One thing both sides of the isle (in the US) seem to agree upon, from wikipedia;
Clinton Gore side:
“the U.S. Senate unanimously passed by a 95–0 vote the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98),[40] which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations or “would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States”. On November 12, 1998, Vice President Al Gore symbolically signed the protocol. Both Gore and Senator Joseph Lieberman indicated that the protocol would not be acted upon in the Senate until there was participation by the developing nations.[41] The Clinton Administration never submitted the protocol to the Senate for ratification.”
the bush side:
” George W. Bush, has indicated that he does not intend to submit the treaty for ratification, not because he does not support the Kyoto principles, but because of the exemption granted to China (the world’s second largest emitter of carbon dioxide[42]). Bush also opposes the treaty because of the strain he believes the treaty would put on the economy; he emphasizes the uncertainties which he asserts are present in the climate change issue.[43] Furthermore, the U.S. is concerned with broader exemptions of the treaty. For example, the U.S. does not support the split between Annex I countries and others. “
John Lloyd // January 18, 2007 at 5:15 pm |
I wonder how many schools are still showing films by the Moody (Bible) Institute of Science. Now those had a point of view and we had to sit through them when I was in high school. For the unitiated, there are a couple on the Internet Archive, one on Carnivorous Plants and another called the Mystery of Time. Mayhaps the Federal Way administrators could let the students watch one of them as balance for “An Inconvenient Truth.”
Jayson Billington // January 18, 2007 at 8:19 pm |
The problem is that Al Gore has exaggerated many of the claims in his movie which hurts his case.
For example in the movie it says that the sea level will rise 20 feet and shows it flooding several large cities. The scientific consesus seems to be that sea level could rise about a foot over this century if we don’t do something about it. Why did the writers feel the need to overstate what is in of itself a big problem? If they are willing to make claims like 20 feet then what else in the movie is a ridiculous exaggeration?
raretodd // January 19, 2007 at 11:06 pm |
[It’s why the United States, out of 34 countries polled, ranks number 33 (just above Turkey) in terms of the percentage of population that accepts biological evolution as how life came to be on this planet. For the most powerful nation on the planet, we’re still nice and swaddled in first-century mysticism.]
You’ve been reading Sam Harris haven’t you?
If not, you should. He speaks directly to what you’re saying here.
http://www.samharris.org
For those of you who think that global warming is no big deal: “I like it hot. Winter sucks! Who cares if the earth heats up?!”
Well, you like summer. Fine. But do you like malaria?
Without enough cold winters the mosquito population will explode, causing malaria to to conquer much more of the world than it already has.
I’d rather shovel some snow off my driveway than expire from malaria, frankly.
RT
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fifthdecade // January 24, 2007 at 8:09 pm |
I’m surprised Frostyman doesn’t do homeschooling. That way he could keep all his offspring ignorant. Still, it doesn’t matter much what they believe, they’ll just be added to history’s list of religious fanatics who thought the world was flat; that Jerusalem lay at the centre of the world; that the sun revolved around the world; that it was OK to kill in the name of God; that torture is OK (Spanish Inquisition, Guantanomo, Abu Ghraib) and so on.
Anyway, I thought religion in schools was against the US Constitution?
As for global warming itself, it could turn Europe into a frosty waste if melting icewater from the Arctic cuts the flow of warming Gulf Stream waters to Northern Europe.
Jeff Ventura // January 24, 2007 at 9:24 pm |
fifth — thanks a ton for all your comments. I appreciate them.
Left of Larry // January 25, 2007 at 12:29 pm |
The problem with this country is that we have let the extremist right wing nut job xtians take over the public discourse and take over our political system. They have an agenda. This agenda entails the theocatizaition of this country.
The religious moderates are also to blame, those that cave in to religious fanatics like this guy. It is obligatory of a constitutional democracy to hold religion in as much criticism as the religious right holds gays or global warming. This guy should be ignored and silenced.
He believes that the warming of the earth is a sign of the coming of the lord. This kind of mentality is what makes religion dangerous. It’s bullshit and it needs to go away.
icanplainlysee // January 25, 2007 at 1:12 pm |
Gee Larry.
You give the Klan new life what with their policies of trumped up “fact” to support their bigotries and the old superiority of ideas requiring the silence of critics.
The Gestapo would be proud of your nipping dissent in the bud, especially those religious idiots.
Other than that, I’m sure your a sweetheart of guy with love for all.
DaveK // January 25, 2007 at 3:59 pm |
Larry – you are as big a fool as Mr. Frosty
You said: “It is obligatory of a constitutional democracy …” then follow up with: “This guy should be ignored and silenced.”
Some how the two statements seem to contradict each other. Just say what you think, you hate people of faith, particularly those who express extreme positions. It’s OK for you to say that, falls under “constitutional democracy.”
Marc Montoni // January 26, 2007 at 10:08 am |
The problem with both Frosty and those of you who hate him is that neither has a lock on truth.
I happen to be a skeptic. Going red-faced with rage and telling me that I’m a lunatic for being a skeptic isn’t going to convince anyone of anything, least of all, me.
By the way, the scanlyze.wordpress.com suggestion above didn’t link directly to anything on the site. It’s an excellent read:
http://scanlyze.wordpress.com/?s=global+warming
Jeff Ventura // January 26, 2007 at 7:02 pm |
Marc — I agree with you. I’m a skeptic, but not red-faced with rage. But Hardiman provides an excellent example of the extreme fringe: he is not just representative of the faithful. He’s way on the extreme edge, which IS dangerous and DOES need to be understood as such. To allow people like him — and, conversely, people of “reason” who are equally fervent and militant — into areas of public policymaking where the greater good is to be served is not a good idea.
Brent // February 16, 2007 at 12:25 am |
Kinda like one idiot freaking out over the word God in the Pledge of Allegiance?
Global warming is a brilliant scam. If only it were my idea. Dammit.
Steve P // February 23, 2007 at 2:24 am |
Yeah.
Wish I’d thought up one of the major christian cults. Talk about a guaranteed money maker. Especially the “catholic” church.
OK, that was rude.
Actually, global warming is just Gaia’s way of scratching fleas. It’s become too infested. I just hope we can remember to keep all the knowledge that we’ve gained to date in some safe locations so that after most of the “fleas” get scratched off, those who are left will have that knowledge available. Starting over with that information will likely also hasten the demise of religion. It’s the social legacy of the church that keeps it going. Not any actual value – or “truth”.
And I do think it’s unfortunate that I haven’t been able to pledge my allegiance to this country since the mid ’50s! But given the current fundamentalist influence I’m a bit less inclined to do that even if the pledge was returned to its original form and “god” removed.
Jeff Ventura // February 23, 2007 at 7:40 am |
Steve — you saying “it’s the social legacy of the church that keeps it going” is the most succinct statement of its kind yet. Hope you don’t mind if I borrow that.
icanplainlysee // February 23, 2007 at 9:37 am |
In the usual liberal, assumed vision of reality, enlightened man is the end all of existence.
From this inflated, narcissistic beginning, all sorts of stilted misunderstanding flows.
Anthropogenic, catastrophic global climate change is a hoax. This lie ranks right up there with world starvation, suicide by pollution, and the last failed socialist attempt to co-opt humanity, global ICING.
The mix of atheism, itself a faith based belief, and enviro-doom bodes well for the rise of authoritarian dominance worldwide.
Thanks for helping to perpetrate one more deceitful, conspiratorial power grab attempt by left over losers of the cold war and the adherents of failed economic and social policies.
Will this self delusion and arrogant assumption pattern ever end?
I doubt it.
This
I know Frosty Personally // April 22, 2007 at 7:28 pm |
I knew Frosty for several years in Washington and I wouldn’t say he was “galactically stupid” but rather “galactically ingnorant, clueless and arrogant”. Frosty has an insatiable desire to “make his mark in this world” and seems to spend all of his energy trying to convince others that he is a higher level human and intellectual than spending the energy to actually being one.
Frosty has involve himself in many political and secular organizations which have apparently all disassociated themselves with him. He claims to have been a committe officer of the 31st Lagislative 8th congressional Hillman Pricinct and a member of the Seattle-Metro Replublican Club. I have a copy of his business card which read “Motivative Speaker and Lecturer; Positive Attitude Seminars, Pep Rallies, Job Search Seminars.
If that doesn’t scream Frosty’s obsession with self-importance, I don’t know what will. I’m sure Frosty is enjoying all of this attention on the TV media and internet inspite of the fact he is seen as a complete fool by most. On the bright side, if Frosty hadn’t spent all of his energy trashing his credibility over the years to look self-important perhaps he would have been dangerous if he were seemingly credible.
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